@mattmay They hired Browett! Rim shot. But not RIM shot.

@GlennF @gruber I do know, and he isn't. And Apple knows, because they hired him.

@mattmay @gruber Eh. I think Kevin was *acting* like a bozo when he made statements like that. Is he one? I dunno.

@GlennF Anyway, point is, none of this points to Kevin being a "bozo." It does, however, point to @gruber trying too hard.

@mattmay It would have been interesting, and a more useful data point. But far in the past now.

@GlennF It wouldn't have mattered even if Flash outperformed HTML. It was a threat to their App Store model. And iTunes DLs. And Obj-C.

@mattmay Right. So my point was: I’m Missouri! A million posts would have poked Apple if we’d seen Flash on iOS in a corp. signed app

@mattmay Anyway, market spoke is part of it.

@GlennF That… was not the evangelism team's greatest moment.

@mattmay As opposed to public pronouncements against Apple’s intransigence? It would have been very effective. I wanted to see it.

@GlennF I don't know what difference it'd have made. Other than poking a business partner in the eye.

@dylanw Worst sxscurvy ever.

@mattmay Wind is blowing out of the SW, so no.

@dylanw I wonder if I can cough on you from here.

@mattmay @GlennF I SAY GOOD NIGHT. Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to run more Flash videos into this MacBook I’m using as a space heater.

@GlennF @dylanw OH THANK GOD

@dylanw @mattmay You know, I didn’t mean to rehash a 2010 argument. So, good night.

@GlennF @mattmay But that’s like saying Dell and Gateway were never significant in the desktop market because IBM sold so many servers.

@dylanw @mattmay Already replied. Also, you know that Apple never had anything like that marketshare. RIM and Windows dominated in America

@GlennF @mattmay When Apple cut up every feasible route to run Flash on 80% of the world’s smartphones, what’s the incentive to write Flash?

@dylanw @mattmay It wasn’t an app developer problem.

@dylanw @mattmay Write Flash? The Android version was supposed to (and did) play all Flash.

@GlennF @mattmay You’re dodging the question. When iOS was on over 80% of the world’s smartphones, where’s the incentive to write Flash?

@dylanw @mattmay Android was supposed to kill iOS because it had more choices, including Flash. And it is won by having less profit.

@mattmay @dylanw Honestly, would have loved Flash as an option in iOS, but would have reduced incentives for migration.

@GlennF @mattmay Remind me, how long has the iPhone been out? And how long has Android held a market majority?

@GlennF @dylanw s\/Flash\/a feature Apple deliberately left out, making it a marketing opportunity\/g

@dylanw @mattmay Which was widely cited by many hardware makers as being superior to iOS as it had Flash. BOO-ya.

@dylanw @mattmay Market choice was Android, the most popular mobile operating system on the planet

@GlennF @mattmay Your logic is getting awfully tortured. Apple cut off every happy path for Flash. The market’s choice seems Hobsonian.